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@TheEternalKraut Why are they appropriating what the USSR did when it's in their favor and then LARP as anti communist?

@TheEternalKraut @crocusfan Just without the 20 grand watch

@TheEternalKraut @SlashVril good cuckie 😘

@TheEternalKraut This is true I was there.

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RT @TheEternalKraut: New Slashtsar lore just dropped pic.twitter.com/H7Z5MaAexg

@TheEternalKraut I can agree on phyrric victory

@TheEternalKraut But they never demanded an annexation nor was it ever laid out as a direct goal. It could at some point have been an idea that they seriously considered (FDR) but it was scrapped. The pre war demands were achieved. That is a victory.

@TheEternalKraut Point is; the USSR wanted Finland to be weak and not have a defensive border this close to Petrograd - they succeeded in achieving this.

@TheEternalKraut ...the territories were used for agriculture before the war.

And in the continuation war Finland failed to do anything meaningful, and once the USSR gained the initiative on the Eastern Front - Finland lost.

@TheEternalKraut The USSR did neuter Finland. If the Winter War didnt happen, and if Finland were to still join in '41, Leningrad would've fallen. This territory wasn’t unimportant for Finland though. Half a million refugees fled these territories, 10% of Finnish industry was lost and...

@TheEternalKraut In the end it was achieved.

@TheEternalKraut That was the goal of the USSR. To neuter Finland.

@TheEternalKraut True.

@TheEternalKraut Yes but in Finlands position it was reasonable. The incompetence of the Red Army was a surprise not a necessity. Without hindsight it doesn't seem like an awful tradeoff.

@TheEternalKraut No but I'm just highlighting why Stalin chose to target Finland as opposed to the other countries.

Also Stalin targeted turkey and mobilized against it preceeding the Montreux convention.

@TheEternalKraut That's speculative. The demands were reasonable lmao. I see why Finland didn't accept them but they weren't anything ridiculous.

@TheEternalKraut They took the land they demanded, those were the aims before the war. They were achieved.

@TheEternalKraut Finland was a former Tsarist state. Stalin saw it as the USSR's rightful sphere of influence

@TheEternalKraut Yes. But the USSR still achieved all of its pre war aims.

@TheEternalKraut Persia was weak and the British had loads of influence there. Turkey signed a NAP with the USSR.

@TheEternalKraut ...of settling the war.

The pre-war objectives (demands) were achieved.

@TheEternalKraut I'm not the one making the claim that the USSR would push for more just because they would. You have to provide the evidence.

The FDR was set up because the USSR didn't want to recognize the Finnish government too. The USSR changed its mind and decided on a different way...

@TheEternalKraut That too. The USSR wanted Finland to be unable to strike St Petersburg if a war started.

@TheEternalKraut Show of force. Same with how Bessarabia had no strategic value.

@TheEternalKraut Many historians agree with me and I provided enough evidence to say that the USSR did in fact achieve its objectives.

Was the land that was demanded in November ceded? Yes. Was the mannerheim line deconstructed? Yes.

@TheEternalKraut Soviet goals were to take the land that was demanded, they took the land. How is this a defeat lmao

@TheEternalKraut Speculative and unproven.

@TheEternalKraut "None of the goals met"

But the USSR once again, took more land than was initially demanded. That is not "not meeting the goals". Lmao. pic.twitter.com/pChiTsuELX

@TheEternalKraut Also to say the USSR opted out would be wrong. Finland was not going to be able to stop a soviet advance after the Mannerheim line was overrun. It was the USSR who had leverage on the negotiating table.

@TheEternalKraut It's a victory nonetheless. The Soviet Union achieved the objectives and got the land it wanted + more. Was it costly? Yes. Was it a victory? Yes. pic.twitter.com/mcyMeMfc1W

@TheEternalKraut That doesn't necessarily mean they expected to fully conquer Finland. And it was merged into the KFSSR *during* the winter war.

@TheEternalKraut Still means the USSR achieved all of its objectives lmao. Finland ceded more land than it was going to initially, the FDR was merged into the KFSSR, absolutely irrelevant and completely speculative.

@TheEternalKraut This was set up a day after the winter war already began.

@TheEternalKraut The Karelo Finnish SSR consisted squarely of the territories that were going to be transferred to Finland. You could argue it was done because they assumed that Finland would accept and it would be seen as a "reunion" and not as "giving up land".

@TheEternalKraut Finland was still very close with the USSR lmao. And what you're saying at this point is speculation. The goals were a border exchange. We don't know if the Soviets were gonna invade anyway.

@TheEternalKraut I think the Soviets wanted Finland in their sphere and a land exchange. They ended up getting more land than they asked, losing none, and finland was still in the Soviet sphere just indirectly (finlandazation comes from this).

@TheEternalKraut *communist referrendum

@TheEternalKraut The Soviet demands to the Baltics were to allow them to station the red army in the country indefinitely and hold a community referendum. A tad different than the land exchange proposed by Stalin.

@TheEternalKraut And the dismantlement of fortifications.

@TheEternalKraut The initial soviet demands were a simple border readjustment and a few military bases. Finland ended up denying this. pic.twitter.com/dBUsCf2G1D

@TheEternalKraut It wasn't

@TheEternalKraut This was the Soviet proposal and this was the Moscow Peace Treaty pic.twitter.com/iTI1pFKFzm

@TheEternalKraut Finland was forced to cede more than they asked in the first winter war though

@TheEternalKraut @ChickenSmith12 Casualties are irrelevant. By definition, Finland lost. They were forced to cede even more than was initially demanded, their best defense (Mannerheim line) was shattered, and they had to give up their 2nd most industrialized area (Karelija)

@TheEternalKraut @ChickenSmith12 Finland lost both wars lmao what?

@TheEternalKraut The USSR was excessively bureaucratic and inefficient. I don't disagree.

@TheEternalKraut My point is that the baltics independently of the ussr and EU would not be richer than they are right now.